GPSDO YT 10 Mhz Lcd 2x16 With LED, UTC Time and GPS Localisation.

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Introduction: GPSDO YT 10 Mhz Lcd 2x16 With LED, UTC Time and GPS Localisation.

About: Hi, i'm electronic technician but it's my hobby too. I like to do and try many projects just for fun :)

January 18 2022 , Last version is 1.57 Available at step 11

Hi guys,

What is a GPSDO ? GPSDO means: GPS disciplined oscillator. GPS for global positioning system. All GPS satellites are equipped with synchronized atomic clock. GPS module receives these signals from several satellites. And by triangulation, it knows his location. But here, what interests us is the pulse per second that is found on the module. With this precise pulse (from atomic clock), we can do a very very accurate oscillator. What for ? For reference, for calibration of frequency counter or just for fun to have one in his lab.

For more explanation on how calibration is working. Go to my first instructable just here:

http://media.nbcmontana.com/id/GPSDO-YT-Discipli...

So i did a frequency generator of 10.000000000 Mhz +- 0.000000001 Mhz or 1ppb on 10Mhz

PS: I had some questions about how i know that the speed is accurate. The answer is quite simple. If you read 10,000,000.000 it's because you have 10,000,000.000 Mhz It's 10 billion count on 1000 seconds. It's a frequency counter AND a gpsdo at same time. If you have different result, probably your reference (pps) isn't accurate. Not enough satellite, weak signal. Can be power supply problem too. OCXO itself take 600ma.

That's said, the accuracy of this device is 10mhz + or - 0.001hz OR +-1x10e-10

Let's begin

Step 1: Here Is the Schematic

I improved schematic. I added a pot for the 12v version. Like that almost any 7404 or 7414 are working.

And i added LED support. Optional as well.

Basic projet could be only the uC atmega without LCD and LED. Or only LED without LCD. Output will be the same. But add some monitoring device is more fun :)

Also, like you will see on step 24. I have now added a serial output for monitoring if you do not have a display.

You can download original schematic by clicking on it. And clicking on the arrow at bottom left (download original).

Step 2: Some Parts You Will Need: GPS Module

GPS module. You can buy a cheap one.... any will do but now, by experience, you can have better result with a m8n for this reason: Number of satellite.

Attention: Ublox neo 6m can receive US satellite only. Neo m8n can receive US and Russia, and have more satellite.

You see an exemple here at 3:22

More you have satellite, more accurate is the pulse. At the beginning i thought that just with 3 or 4 was ok. Yes it's working and we have a pulse. But this one is not as precise.

I have 2 gpsdo. One with simple ocxo on neo 6m and another with a double on neo m8n.

My simple ocxo was a bit less accurate of my double. Worst result i saw was 9.985 And I did a test.

I used the m8n pulse for my simple ocxo gpsdo. Problem disappeared.

If we read on wikipedia here, Error sources and analysis, we can see, gps can have error.

If you have some difficulties with the result, gps module and antenna is probably the problem.

You will need to find where is the pulse is. When a led is on the device. Best thing to do is to put a wire from the led to the 7404 input. Or now on eBay i saw some available with on board GPS pulse output.

You need to configure the module to have to have 1 pps (pulse per second) when gps is locked (3-4 sat or more) and 0 pps when antenna or signal is missing.

If you buy a ublox neo 6m. It's by default.

Interesting information:

On a ublox m8n, you can choose an output of 10mhz. So why doing a gpsdo when i could have 10mhz directly of a gps module ? It's because ublox module is using speed of 48 Mhz and this is creating jitter at the output. 48Mhz isn't dividable by 10. This is an exemple at 1 Mhz. At 10 Mhz it's worst and very ugly.

Yellow is a 10mhz reference gpsdo divided by 10. Trigger is channal 1 (yellow). Blue is the timepulse output 1mhz 50% duty of a ublox m8n. As you can read in Timing Consideration book page 10-11, it's because Ublox is using a speed of 48 mhz. And this one isn't dividing by 10. So, at the end the software is doing a correction.

In addition, after some test and experience with pll gpsdo, the pll was sticking on a moving waveform. Resulting by a moving instant frequency. It wasn't too bad when the reference frequency was at 10 Khz but it was easy visible.

In other word, waveform was moving back and forth a bit. And this wasn't just the ublox jitter problem. It's the pll itself doing his correction to keep the right frequency. But it was always following the reference. So in average, on long term, pll gpsdo is very accurate. But if we measure the instant frequency, this one can be higher or lower a bit.

It was also slower to have a sticky waveform. I have finally choose to do an over time uC pwm gpsdo instead.

Another way would have been to make a pll gpsdo and add a uC but only as a frequency counter.


Step 3: OCXO

Oscillator OCXO. Simple or double, 5v or 12, sine or square will do.

On my side i tried the Isotemp square 5v et the C-Mac sinewave 12v and both are working fine.

OCXO take around 600ma alone. So be sure to have a good power supply (transformer).

Also, keep in mind that the pwm output is doing dc from 0 to 5v. If you have a 12v OCXO, maybe the vfc needed will be higher than 5v. In this case, an op-amp can be use to match the pwm output to the correct vfc voltage.

Step 4: LCD 2x16

LCD is optional. If you install one. Only pin 1 to 14 is needed. For pin 15 and 16 (backlight),I installed a diode and wire exactly like picture. This one dim the backlight a bit. You can also connect pin 15 directly on Vcc without any problem but double check on back near pin 15 if a resistor is already installed on your lcd.

Step 5: Those for Gps Module

This cable is:

High Frequency Coaxial Connective Cable Cord RP-SMA Female Connector IPX

and antenna:

28dB LNA Gain 1575.42MHz RP-SMA Male GPS Active Antenna Stronger Signal

Exemple here on amazon.ca and here

I do not recommend to use the little antenna provided with the gps module.

Step 6: PCB

For PCB i used the toner transfer method. Not perfect but ok for this project. I'll give you PCB to print at next step.

Step 7:

Here is the file you will need to do the PCB. Top one is mirror for toner transfer method. I also added the gerber files if you want to use a professional way.

Gerber:

https://github.com/YannickTurcotte/GPSDO-YT/blob/m...

Step 8: Check Voltage

Before to add atmega and 7404, voltage must be checked.

I know my heat-sink is HUGE but i'm using what i have :) An old pc heatsink

You don't need to install both connectors to program the atmega. Choose 6 or 10 pins. It depend of your programmer.

Step 9: LED Board

I did a board for the LED. At the end i glued the transistors on the metal box.

I'll give you pcb file on next step.

I suggest these flat cable. If by mistake you plug the cable upside down, no worry. everything will be fine. Just no LED will turn on. That's all.

Why do I use transistor instead direct connection ? Yes the uC can support those LEDs. But the output current was disturbing the PWM (DC output for vfc). That way, the most of the current is provided by the transistor collector.

Step 10: LED Board Files

The files for the little board

Step 11: Program Your ATMEGA and Below Here Is the .HEX File and Now, Source Code.

This is an easy part but a lot of poeple fear or hate to program a uC. I'll try to do it simple.

You need an Atmega328p and the .hex file below. You must also choose the right fuses bits.(E0 D9 FF)

Those fuse bits are programmed automatically on USBasp and tiny. no worry.

They are many way to do that:

-STK500

-USBasp (see next step)

-USBtiny (see next step)

-Arduino to program another atmega328p (search on internet, many how to availble)

Myself, i'm using a stk500 with ISP directly in Atmel studio. You can use any other method. A lot of cheap programmer are available on ebay. Next step show an ease alternative.

You must choose the right fuse bit. Here is Picture of stk500 fuses bits. (E0 D9 FF)

-Be sure that external oscillator is selected and the low.ckdiv8 clock is unchecked. See picture. Pay attention, when the external clock fuses bit, you must provide an external clock to program or run the code. In other words, connect the Oscillator in xtal1 pin.

So for short, send the gpsdo.hex file to the Atmega328p and program the fuses bits. (E0 D9 FF)

If you have a stk500, there are many chance that you already know how to program a .hex directly.

Version change:

-Version 1.5 i added some code to always start counting at same time after the pulse. Like that, i dont have any pulse arriving in timer overflow sub routine.

This correct an intermittent problem where between 10,000,000.006 or so were displayed. The count was wrong.

Now the device is much more stable. In fact, it never go higher or lower than .001

In fact, if this happen, suspect your gps time pulse or temperature change too fast.

-I also change. When you turn off and on the device, if a config is found, it will at phase 4. Some time the drift is to far to go in running mode directly.

-Version 1.51 i added some routine to track when the pwm overflow. In other word, when pwm arrive to 0v or 5v. Unreachable Frequency message will be display if your OCXO isn't compatible. Some OCXO have input 0-8v instead 0-5v. In this case you will need to add an op-amp to match the OCXO. See here you will find a schematic. If your ocxo have less than 0-5v, you can try tension divider to match your OCXO.

-Add pwm value and 16 last know frequency when pus button is pressed. Value are from newer to older. Exemple: 00FF0000010000001. Last frequency was .000 before that was .999 and so on.

-Also enhanced the frequency finding algorithm. Arrive to run mode faster than before. Now if for exemple at phase 4 you find 2000000006. Instead to drop of 0.4 hertz at each of 200s until reach 0, i multiply the difference (here 6) by the know step of 200s. ie 1/(200x152,59uv) = 32.77 So i remove 32x6 directly from pwm to target 2000000000 directly. Doing this for phase 3,4,5 (no phase 6 anymore). But if the difference is only 1. I kept the 0.4 change.

-Also remove phase 6, yes a 15 minutes less. In fact phase 6 is now phase 5. With the new finding algorithm no need to do a step of 900s anymore. We pass directly to 1000s. Now often in run mode < 1 hour.

-Version 1.52 Some users had no good results with the new algorithm. This one was suppose to be more quicker and it is. But if your ocxo isn't moving 2hz/Volt this can be a problem. So i did 2 algorithms in one. To have the classic version and quick.

For Classic, adding a jumper to have pb5 to gnd. I programmed pb4 to 0 so just add jumper between pb4 and pb5 see picture (blue jumper)

Also, one user is using an old gps module running at 4800 baud. For him just add the red jumper will change the Baud rate to 4800 instead 9600.

Remove the averaging algorithm. After 20 good know values, an average was made and the pwm was programmed with this new number.. The goal was to have better accuracy in a long run. But after many reading of results, this was more a problem than a good thing. Often after this pwm change, the frequency was plus or minus 2 instead of 0. I have better result without this.

-Version 1.53

-Enhanced anti bouncing on push button. Fix when lost and signal reapers display problem. Add led display on startup

-Version 1.54

-Counting LED is now blinking when counting. Led toggle at each 1024 tcnt0 overflow. Led frequency is 19,07 hz. If you see the counting led steady on or off. You will know that the gpsdo is halted.

-Version 1.55

-remove phase1,2,3,4,5 and replace it by the pwm value.

-Version 1.56

-Add serial data output (pin 3) 9600 8 1 to display same information of lcd 2 lines.

-Version 1.57

-Change the watchdog to 2 seconds instead of 1. Some user had self running message no pulse detected. The watchdog was to tight in some cases. So I change this to 2 seconds and add some code to track when a pulse is missing in a different way.

-In some gps module GGA code are slightly different. In the string, some have ,09, other have ,9, (no zero) I added some code to fix this and now have more compatibility with different models.

-The RUN led is also now a Hit LED. This LED turn on at the first time when 10,000,000.000 is Hit (Run mode). The LED will stay on if frequency is staying between + or - 0.001 If not the LED will be off.


Source code (assembly):

https://github.com/YannickTurcotte/GPSDO-YT


Here to have the file compile and ready to program.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnKLPDy3pII_xV9vTtWnbMD9teF_?e=X7G2Ms

Step 12: Program Your ATMEGA With Avrdude and a USBasp or USBtiny

This method is very simple and cheap. search on ebay or amazon for USBasp or USBTiny. It's between 2 and 5$.

Plug in your USBasp or USBtiny device in your computer and let Windows detect the device (it will report driver not found). If a window pops up asking to search for driver, just close it or click on Cancel.

At this point, download and run Zadig, it should detect the USBasp or USBtiny, or any libusb device that you have. Then in the selection box (see picture), choose libusb-win32 (v1.2.6.0), click on Install Driver, and wait for the installation to complete.

Check in device manager for atmel usb device = ok. No excalmation mark anymore

Download avrdude 6_3 with HEX.rar here below on this page and unzip files in a folder. You will have 5 files, see pictures.

I create a batch file to program the chip with .hex and fuses bits in same time.

Connect USBasp or USBtiny cable in gpsdo board, see picture and turn on the project.

Double click on program usbxxx.bat

At the end, code and fuse bit are programmed, again see picture (black one)

Pay attention, with new fuses bits setting, clock must be now, external.

If programmation is ok and you see happen on lcd, check for oscillation. If you use 12v option, turn the pot

until something is lit on display. Use oscilloscope to adjust duty to 50% if you have one.

Step 13: Jumper Config, (Quick Vs Classic Mode and Baud Rate Speed)

Here are jumpers setting configuration.

PWM correction mode

Quick mode (No jumper default)

Classic mode (Blue jumper)


GPS module transmit speed

9600 bps (No jumper default)

4800 bps (Red jumper)


Quick vs Classic, what's the difference:

Quick mode: will try to correct the pwm by doing large jump when the error is far from the target.

Advantages are, it's quicker to arrive at 10,000,000.000 Hz

Disadvantages are, If the ocxo isn't the same range of correction programmed, the step will be too high or too low. At the end it will jump around and never reach the target.

PWM Corrections for quick mode:

1 second gate. PWM move 0x0222 (41.66mv)

10 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0100 (19.53mv)

60 seconds gate. PWM move 0x006D x missing HZ (8.31mv x missing Hz) if missing Hz > 1

60 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0034 (8.31mv) if missing Hz < 1

200 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0033 x missing HZ (3.89mv x missing Hz) if missing Hz > 1

200 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0010 (3.89mv) if missing Hz < 1

1000 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0008 x missing HZ (610.36uv x missing Hz) if missing Hz > 1

1000 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0003 (228.88uv) if missing Hz < 1

until to find 10,000,000.000 (run mode)

1000 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0004 x missing HZ (305.18uv x missing Hz) if missing Hz > 1

1000 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0001 (76.295uv) if missing Hz < 1


Classic mode: will do little jump even when the error is large.

Advantages, you will eventually reach the target.

Disadvantages, Slower to arrive at 1000 second gate.

PWM Corrections for classic mode:

1 second gate. PWM move 0x0222 (41.66mv)

10 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0100 (19.53mv)

60 seconds gate. PWM move 0x002B (3.28mv)

200 seconds gate. PWM move 0x000C (915.54uv)

1000 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0003 (228.88uv)

until to find 10,000,000.000 (run mode)

1000 seconds gate. PWM move 0x0001 (76.295uv)


Witch one to choose ?

For sure try the quick mode first. It's the default, nothing to do. If you are seeing the frequency jumping up and down and never reach .000 it means that the correction algorithm is too large for your ocxo.

In this situation, just to add a jumper and switch to classic mode.

Step 14: Try Your Project

Before to put all the thing in a box. Try it. Be sure that all is working fine.

Here i fixed GPS module on heat-sink. I used an old transformer 16v AC. Too large for the project but again, I'm using what i already have.

Step 15: OCXO Insulation

If you want, you can insulate the OCXO with foam. Here i used depron foam. This is optional only.

Step 16: Holes in Your Box

Prepair your box. Do hole, put some paint! For square i'm using this tool, see picture. Hand Nibbler Sheet Metal Cutter Tool.

https://www.ebay.com/p/1100025827

https://www.amazon.ca/Sheet-Metal-Nibbling-Nibbler-Cutter/dp/B00WFFZ2X8

Here is an alternative 3d printed box. External 5v power supply.

Step 17: Time to Put All in a Box

Here i used a metal box.

Step 18: On Scope Results

Like you can see, sine wave is nice. 3,44V peak to peak. (1 volt/div)

Square wave is 2v/div

Here i'm using a 74LS04.

Step 19: Accuracy From User Experience

These images come from Dino (MAC1). I had never measured accuracy by myself with frequency counter. I was very happy to see these results.

10,000,000,000.0 Mhz +.0003 Hz and -.0006 Hz It is even more precise than I thought. My specification was + or - .001 Hz. Super happy :)

Thanks to him for these photos.

Step 20: Instruction Manual

At turn on GPSDO wait 15 minutes. It do nothing. This is for warming the OCXO and satellites reception.

If you haven't any configuration in eeprom. the starting PWM output is at 50% 0x7FFF. You should be reading 2.5V dc on the pwm output if the vcc is 5V.

If the OCXO is already hot, just push button to pass this wait time.

uC will find the good voltage for your OCXO. If frequency is lower, PWM duty will rise, meaning DC value output will rise. If it's higher, PWM duty will drop. See step 13 for more information about the algorithm of this.

Now begin calibration phases. 5 phases total. 1 second, 10, 60, 200 and 1000 seconds. At 1000, uC is counting 1 billions of cycles (ticks) for exactly 10,000,000.000 Mhz

As soon this 1000 seconds achieved, uC keeps the pwm value in eeprom and continu at run mode.

Meaning it looping at the last 1000 seconds gate correction algorithm. If counter reach 10,000,000.001 or 9,999,999.999 the pwm value (16 bits) is adjusted plus or minus 1 and so on. Again it's depend of the classic or quick mode see step 13.

Important, keep in mind, in all calibration phase and run mode, the display is showing the actual count or frequency. If the value isn't normal, bizarre or understandable, suspect a gps pulse problem or a low antenna signal. Problem is coming from the pulse. This one isn't arriving at the right time.

When GPSDO is in run mode, config is saved in eeprom. So if this one is turned off and on, GPSDO go directly in phase 4. But be aware. If power if off for a while. You will probably need to do a whole re-config process. Sometime even with pwm in eeprom, frequency have drifted to much and it's just quicker to restart with default setting.

If for any reason, satellites are lost or weak (below than 3), gps pulse will be lost as well. So pwm value will be not changed anymore until pulse come back. OCXO will run by itself at last good eeprom value. On scope you wont see difference when pulse is there or not.

If you press button, uC will stop counting and you will see UTC time and localisation for 10 seconds.

Localisation is in Degrees and decimal minutes (DMM). This is how to enter this on google map:

46 19.81750 N 072 35.33259 W

If you want to erase the eeprom value and restart calibration, just push button and hold at startup.

LED explanation:

1 1hz and warming. This led is ON at startup meaning the uC is waiting 15 minutes. This is for give some time to the OCXO to warm-up and stabilize. This is a shared LED with the GPS pluse. As soon as the waiting time is done, or push button press, the uC release the LED and gps pulse can be see.

2 Satellite LED. This LED turn on when 3 or more satellites are detected.

3 Counter LED. This LED is flashing when the uC is counting.

4 The RUN led is also now a Hit LED. This LED will turn on at the first time when 10,000,000.000 is Hit (Run mode). The LED will stay on if frequency is between + or - 0.001 If not the LED will be off until the target is hit again.

Meaning if the frequency is 10,000,000.002 the LED will be off and stay off until .999 .000 or .001 arrive.

Step 21: Conclusion

I hope you will enjoy this project. Questions, commentary are welcome English or French.

Step 22: More Information in Eeprom

In run mode, uC store the frequency in eeprom. You can see here about 50 hours of count. The 2 first byte is the pwm config. Here we have 864A. All byte after is all frequency counted. Each 1000s a bytes is stored.

00 is for 10,000,000.000

FF is for 9,999,999.999 or eeprom empty (at the epprom end)

01 is for 10,000,000.001

Before v1.5 i had some 02,03,04,05,06. Very intermittent. I tough it was a large drift in the frequency but in fact it was a bug in software. As you can see now, the eeprom is full of FF,00 and 01 like it should do. Very accurate.

You can see v1.4 eeprom, you can compare.

Step 23: OCXO Vfc Range.

I did a test code to know the OCXO frequency range. uC send pwm 0 and ffff and display the frequency result and restart. I know that base code can tell us unreachable frequency but you can't know exactly the range. This can help in trouble shooting.

If you try this code, it's the same fuse bit.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnKLPDy3pII_v2E4Gr37X3LmmYp9?e...

Step 24: Since Version 1.56 TX Pin Can Now Be Connected to a Serial Port

Since version 1.56 TX pin can now be connected to a serial port. With this feature, you can see the same information on a computer. No need to install a display if you want to. But both is supported as well.

The TX is on pin 3 of atmega328. Connect this pin to the RX of your com port.

You can download putty and open a standard com port, 9600 8 1.

You can also enable the session log in putty to save the communication and see or monitor all your frequencies.

On the picture you can see the beginning of my double ocxo config. Pwm Value, gate time, number of satellite and frequencies.

Step 25: Blog From Other User

Here is some Blog link from other makers:

From Pierre (In french): http://www.rotilom.com/F6IDT/gpsdo-ocxo.htm

From astromeier: http://media.nbcmontana.com/Front-Panel-With-Dis...

Feel free to give me your link if you have did this project. I'll post this here.

Step 26: Cleaning the Harmonics

User Neunziger added a filter to clean the remining harmonics. The result is looking very good.

You can see his tip on the comment section below or here

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567 Comments

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LukGasp
LukGasp

Question 4 weeks ago

Yannick,

I bought a HP frequencymeter about 6 months ago and decided to check the accuracy of my 10MHz GPSDO.

Under further evaluation, it was noted that the device will not change the frequency shown on the HP frequencymeter while the GPSDO tries to achieve a perfect 10.000.000,000.

I believe the device I assembled was supposed to ajust that frequency using the GPS signals to achieve a perfect 10MHz.

The test was performed 4 times for two days, in a temperature and humidity controlled room, till the process finished.

A second GPSDO unit, built by a friend of mine, experienced the same behavior.

Pictures have been attached for your evaluation and further analysis.

I do appreciate your kindness.

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kuzysk
kuzysk

Question 4 months ago

Hi Yannick. Can you please put 10s or better 30s to frequency test program? I mean after changing PWM first wait 10 or 30 second and only then measure frequency. It will help when hi capacity condenser is used. (And as I wrote before it is better to use 25% and 75% PWM measuring point comparing 0 , 100 % due to better linearity. Near 0 and 100% PWM is frequency change almost 0. Here I mean version for "precision" counting of frequency step for using in hex file. 0 -100% version is good to know maximal frequency range of OCXO while 25 -75% version for counting the step. - But this is not as important for me as to put couple of second to measuring interval ) I am not hurry with it. Now I know all OCXO I have, but for future it can help me much. Thank you.

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Answer 4 months ago

Hi Kuzysy, if I understand correctly, you want the test to wait at least 10s between count to give time to discharge the capacitor if this one is bigger. It's a good Idea. I could do a all in one test. 0%, 25%, 50% 100% and wait 10 second between each count. In addition I could begin with 0%. Like that the voltage is rising so 10 seconds between each count will be enough. Sound's good ?

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kuzysk
kuzysk

Reply 3 months ago

My answer was invisible without login... I will try to repeat one-more: Yes, it sounds perfect. Many thanks. Maybe warm up time about 5 minutes
before first start is also good idea to stabilise OCXO, but it is not
such necessary.

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Reply 3 months ago

Hi, got it. if I have time I'll do it. Thank you for your input :)

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gusagar
gusagar

4 months ago

Are you still here Yannick?

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Reply 4 months ago

Yes sure!

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gusagar
gusagar

Reply 4 months ago

Thanks so much for your response Yannic. I have two day experimenting with your GPSDO andhave somenonsense information on the LCD, after a while, the system reaches de 10Mhz and suddenly frequency drops a lot ,almost 15 Hertz and remain there for ever.
Have a 12Vdc OCXO, no OpAmp buffer so far,74LS04, ATMEGA 328 U, NEO 6M, duty cycle stops at 64.25% for ever. I´ll attach some pictures of what I get.
Please help me finding where de leds and jumpers are connected to de AVR, there is no information on the schematic about that. Thanks in advance. GUS (Colombia)

GPSDO_1.jpegGPSDO_2.jpegGPSDO_3.jpeg
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kuzysk
kuzysk

Reply 4 months ago

I forget to write: It is important do not move OCXO (change position, rotate ...) during your tests. Depending on axis, after changing position 90 degrees OCXO will change its frequency in 0.0xx or in "the best axis" in 0.00x Hz range. (0.060Hz change is common as OCXO is in principle mechanical device ). If you want reach 10,000,000.000 :-) keep OCXO in "peace" during all 1000s periods! Rotation 90 degrees will kick you out of 200s range. (you can play and test it later on - I personalty was surprised)

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Reply 4 months ago

Yes, you are perfectly right. You can take a look here. Dave Jones is doing a demonstration of this.

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gusagar
gusagar

Reply 4 months ago

Excelent comment dear friend. Oncredible tha rotation has an efect on frequency.
Any way my machine never get the 1000 process to a simple end, at least in a 24 hour period.
Thanks so much

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kuzysk
kuzysk

Reply 4 months ago

Sooo... try to disconnect the OCXOs control circuit and connect instead there control voltage from the trimmer fed from the supply voltage 5V. The trimmer must be multi-turn. Try to tune it manually, or use Yannick's software - "counter" (set to 1000s not 10000s :-)) link: https://github.com/YannickTurcotte/Lars-DIY-GPSDO That way you will find out if your OCXO can keep the frequency in the range of 0.00x. If yes then we can continue to find problem in regullation circuit, if not then problem is OCXO.

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kuzysk
kuzysk

Reply 4 months ago

I think the problem is caused by 3V output of your OCXO. You use the worst combination of OCXO - sine together with low voltage output...
I tested some OCXOs and here is my connection diagram:
TR1 allows me to set duty cycle to 50%. R21,R20 are not necessary for your tests. Better do not use them - just to be sure to be able find working position. Use multi turn trimmer instead. But any trimmer 10k,22k,27k,.. 50k will work.
L10 value 10uH is not critical just use some coil to prevent 10MHz to power supply.
R20 and C52 are connected to 5V power supply
R22 is not necessary but OCXO works more stable when used. Value depends on your OCXO.
I use 04 gate. In my test better comparing to 14

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gusagar
gusagar

Reply 4 months ago

Thanks Kuzisk for your message. I made what you kindly suggested. I had only the trimmer to look for the trigger point of the 04 and adjust the duty cycle, I obtained almost exactly what I had before.
The only one step done with no pain is the 1s one, in the 60s step the LCD shows a weird frequency as you can see in the attached pictures, needless to say that the frequebcy meter shows the correct frequency coming out from the OCXO wathever it is, but always arount 10 Mhz.
So the question is: Why the CPU counts good in the 1s step and goes crazy counting after that having the same 10Mhz square wave?
Right now while I´m writing this to you, the machine jumped to step 200s (dont know how) and is showing 200.000.0002, I´ll attach that too.
Is there a way my trusted programmer is doing something bad?, unlikely but possible.
BTW I had tested with two different AVRs an U and a P

What a speech AH!, sorry for that!
GUS

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Reply 4 months ago

Look's normal to me. Until 1000s you will not have the real frequency but the count on 60s or 200s. 60 seconds x 10E6 = 600000000. 200s x 10E6 2000000000. What i'm seeing is perfectly normal. So you got it. Your good. Have you acheive 1000s already ?

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gusagar
gusagar

Reply 4 months ago

Hi rhere Yannic. Please tell me how long it takes to end 1000s step?
Thanks in advance. GUS

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Reply 4 months ago

To arrive at 1000s it's not very long. At 200s (3.33 minute) uC is suppose to find the good frequency quickly enough 30 minutes maybe. And after you are at 1000s. But to reach .000 at 1000s is longer and can take some hours. Pwm is changing every 16.6 minutes so if the target is missed, uC try a different value and the answer arrive 16.6 minutes later. And this, until you find the right on spot frequency. The time is never the same. Sometime it's quick and sometime not. But when you are at 1000s the frequency is very good.

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gusagar
gusagar

Reply 4 months ago

Thanks Dear Yannic. I´m out of town on a three days vacations but in 48 hours things will be normal again, as I told you the idea is to assemble an analog PS and install the project in a box. Never connected the leds but I´ll do it on monday to learn how to interprete them, Thanks again. GUS

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gusagar
gusagar

Reply 4 months ago

Hi there dear friend. Good news at last. I got the 1000 seconds step but it took a While and I needed the laboratory PS. Kusyzk kindly sent me a schematic to clean the square wave even more, there was no big difference but srplisingly after that I got all the steps.
I´ll be very glad if you please teach me how to use your OCXO .HEX
Next step will be a good Printed board.
And I´ll provide to the project an analog power supply instead of the switching one I´m been using with it. A lot less noise.
Thanks again. GUS

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Yannick99
Yannick99

Reply 4 months ago

Probably a mismatch between the vfc and the pwm correction. The ocxo is maybe moving to far for the correction. See step 13 and add the blue jumper. You will see a C at startup instead Q. This mode is doing more little jump. This will help.
But as I sas your picture, you have more problems. At 10 seconds gate you should be very closer than 10mhz not 8.38mhz. And in addition, I do not think it's possible ta have this frequency so low with an ocxo 10mhz on 10 seconds. What's exactly is your OCXO ? Do you have a frequency counter ? Just double check. It's a OCXO problem or the uC is missing some clock from the ocxo and the count isn't not good.
Also have some cable all around like that can grab some noise and introduce weird and intermittent result.

Duty cycle of what exactly is at 64.25% Where this number come from ?
For led's, information is on the schematic at right. Look carefully you will find it.
Yannick